overprocessed hair

topic posted Mon, September 28, 2009 - 1:06 PM by  Nightshade
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Hi Ladies, I have been very intrigued by henna hair discussions and I'm considering (once my normal hair texture returns, since I've been getting it colored for the past few years) dying my hair with henna. Until then, I have to find a way to get my hair under control. Its extremely dry, its breaking, my scalp is itchy...ugh. Its a mess. Any suggestions for conditioning treatments to somewhat get my fried hair under control? Thanks so much in advance!
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Nightshade
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  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Mon, September 28, 2009 - 1:23 PM
    I use Cassia obovata treatments on my hair. It gives similar results to henna (such as improved texture) without the color. I get it from mehandi.com.
    • Re: overprocessed hair

      Mon, September 28, 2009 - 2:34 PM
      You can use grapeseed oil or better yet, amla oil (available at Indian grocery stores). In a pinch you can use olive oil. Pour a bit into your cupped palm. Rub it into your scalp and drag it through your hair. Yes, it will make your hair a greasy hellacious mess until you wash it out. Leave it in at least half an hour. Wash. I usually have to "suds up" at least twice in the shower to remove all the oil.

      Caveat--my hair is oily, so I can't vouch for how this works on dry hair, but it seems like it would work.
      • Re: overprocessed hair

        Mon, October 5, 2009 - 1:01 PM
        Another (for me, better) way to get a heavy oiling out is to use conditioner. It sounds funny but it works. Leave your oil in overnight if you can and then use gobs and handfuls of cheap thin conditioner like Suave. Leave the conditioner in for 10 to 20 minutes and rinse -- it will take a lot of rinsing, like 5 minutes, and if you don't rinse enough your hair will be lank and greasy, but if you rinse thoroughly, it will lift out all the oil very gently and your hair will be clean.

        It's even better if you add honey and/or aloe juice to the conditioner. Maybe 1 part honey and one part aloe to 2 or 3 parts honey? I can't take credit for this concoction, I read it at a long hair care forum. It's awesome.
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Tue, September 29, 2009 - 4:48 AM
    I had the same problem. I use frizz-minimizing shampoos and conditioners (Dove Intense Damage Therapy seems to work well), then find any kind of "shine serum" to run through my hair while it's still a bit damp so when I blow dry it, it doesn't get poofy.

    I hope you have better luck fixing this problem than I did -- I ended up cutting virtually all my hair off because it was so damaged, I was getting headaches from trying to brush the tangles out. :-( Good luck!
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Tue, September 29, 2009 - 9:02 AM
    Natana:

    OMG, TELL ME ABOUT THE CASSIA OBAVATA!! I've been posting asking for help with it and NO ONE uses it. All the responses I've received have been about colored henna, which I am not interested in.

    What's with all the adding stuff to the cassia such as camomile, honey, cloves, etc. Do you use it straight and how long does it last? I've had responses such as it's temporary, yet on the bag it says it's permanent.

    How do you use it? Can you put it in a plastic bowl, does it stain the bowl, do you place it on the counter top to "blossom" overnight, can you leave it on your hair overnight with a plastic cap over it and place a towel on the pillow to protect it from staining? Do you use it on dry hair, does it wash out easily?

    Sorry for all the questions. I placed an order thinking I could use it easily, but I've gotten recommendations to do a patch test first, so I'm waiting for my sample order to arrive, so I can do a patch test without opening a big bag of the cassia and then not liking it or not having it work the way I wanted it to work.

    Help and any advice would be greatly appreciated!

    Azeeza
    • Re: overprocessed hair

      Thu, October 1, 2009 - 1:25 AM
      Hey Azeeza, sorry it's taken me a couple of days to answer. I hope this helps!

      -What's with all the adding stuff to the cassia such as chamomile, honey, cloves, etc.?
      You don't need any kind of activator or other additives if you're just using Cassia to condition your hair. Most of the additives like lemon juice, chamomile and honey are used by people with white, gray or really light hair who want to dye their hair blonde with Cassia.

      -Do you use it straight?
      I follow the "how to condition your hair with cassia" instructions here www.mehandi.com/shop/cassi...atabuy.html (It also has info about how much Cassia you need to use - the general rule of thumb is 100g for every 5" of length). I add a bit of olive oil to keep it from drying out while I apply it to my hair. Some people also like to add a few drops of an essential oil to counteract the "earthy" smell of the Cassia.

      -How long does it last?
      The conditioning benefits are not permanent. I've found it's better to do a treatment once every other month because sun, heat, styling, etc. take a toll on my hair. Basically if my hair starts feeling rough and dry I know it's time for another Cassia conditioning treatment.

      -Can you put it in a plastic bowl? Does it stain the bowl?
      I mix it in a plastic bowl. A glass bowl would work, too. The only thing that it stained was a white plastic spatula I used to mix it (I didn't rinse it off right away), so if you use a white or ivory plastic bowl or utensil you should rinse them off ASAP after applying the Cassia to avoid staining.

      -Do you place it on the counter top to "blossom" overnight?
      If you're using Cassia just for the conditioning benefits there's no need to wait for dye release. You only need to let the mix sit for about 15 minutes before applying it to your hair.

      -Can you leave it on your hair overnight with a plastic cap over it and place a towel on the pillow to protect it from staining?
      You only need to leave it on for an hour. I put a plastic cap on and then wrap a towel around that while it's on my hair.

      -Do you use it on dry hair?
      Yes, although I've read some people find it easier to apply to wet hair. Either way you'll get the same results.

      -Does it wash out easily?
      When I wash it out I massage some conditioner into my hair first to help loosen it up. If it's being especially stubborn I shampoo it to get the rest out. I always make a mess in the shower when I rinse it out, but so far if I rinse it off all the surfaces before it has time to dry it doesn't stain.

      If you have any other questions, feel free to ask!
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Tue, September 29, 2009 - 1:12 PM
    specifically too a lot of people say that the henna helps their hair and repairs it- I just henned mine and this is the *first* dose of henna/indigo but I haven't notied a significant 'repair' factor but it certainly didn't *hurt* my already chemically died hair. But lots of people DO have the repair from the henna.

    and I use an SLS free conditioner with vinegar toner and coconut oil moisturizer. I do occasionally use the BS mix to 'deep' clean if you will. =) rather than regular shampoo and all.
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Thu, October 1, 2009 - 4:56 PM
    I have the Joico K Pack and it is very nice. The fragrance was described to me as smelling like bananas and I can understand why. It did help my over processed hair.

    Oh, and the cassia smells bad. I can detect a funny fragrance through the package. Does that fade over time?

    Thanks,

    Azeeza
    • Re: overprocessed hair

      Thu, October 1, 2009 - 6:32 PM
      Mine usually smells only when it's wet (when I wash it) the first couple of days after I use Cassia. I haven't noticed a smell when it's dry, and my boyfriend says he doesn't notice a smell when it's dry either.
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Fri, October 2, 2009 - 6:43 AM
    LOL, I must have the stinky batch of cassia :-) It smells like someone said, a horse barn.

    I received the sample a few days ago, but I also asked for the CD for application, but the CD didn't arrive. So, I inquired about it a few days ago and I'm supposed to receive the application CD. For some reason, I'm a little afraid of the cassia/henna.

    I'm using the Matrix demi-gloss shine, but it washes out after about eight to 12 shampoos and I'm tried of the application process. I love the stuff, but it's a pain to spend several hours every week to two weeks for applications.

    Hopefully, the cassia will help keep the shine in my hair longer.

    Azeeza
    • Re: overprocessed hair

      Fri, October 2, 2009 - 1:57 PM
      Oh don't get me wrong, when you mix and apply the cassia it smells awful (horse barn is a very good description of the smell), but once you wash it out it and your hair dries again you won't notice a bad smell.

      Are you using henna along with the cassia? If so, I can understand being nervous. I color my grays with a henna/indigo gloss (it dyes them a nice golden brown). The first time I did it I was really anxious about how the color would come out, even though my strand test had turned out a beautiful color, haha.

      As for the cassia, it won't affect the color of your hair. I've heard of some people having problems with tangled hair right after using a plant product like cassia or henna. To prevent that from happening, make sure you use conditioner after you finish washing all the cassia out. You could even put a deep conditioner on it with a shower cap for about 30 minutes after washing out the cassia for super soft hair.
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Fri, October 2, 2009 - 7:01 AM
    I may be the dissenting voice here but depending on how overprocessed your hair is, you may have to do some cutting. I know a lot of people have recommended natural remedies but I'll stick my neck out for commercial ones. I use Biolage color shampoo and Biolage detangling solution for light conditioning though if your hair is as fried as you say you may need a much heavier conditioner. I color with henna exclusively now after years of permanent colors but I continue to use Biolage. I know its a bit more expensive but it last forever and its most definitely worth it. The occasional olive oil treatment wouldn't hurt but don't expect results overnight, most smoothing creams and oil treatments just saturate the frayed hair shaft and "glue" the frayed parts down which makes it look smoother but they don't really fix the damage.
    • Re: overprocessed hair

      Tue, October 6, 2009 - 10:41 AM
      Mmmm...I do loooove Biolage...and as a former hairdresser, would recommend it, highly! Not only does it do wonders on damaged hair, but it smells so good, you could almost eat it!!! Their colour line is fantastic...one of the things I miss about being in a salon...some of the professional products are unbeatable!
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Tue, October 6, 2009 - 1:30 PM
    Hi,

    Personally, I'm not a fan of commercial/salon brands that use synthetic ingredients like silicones that coat your hair. Since I've stopped using these and have started using gentle, mostly natural hair products, my hair health has increased significantly.

    I also just started using henna on my hair, and WOW, it really makes it shinny and gorgeous. I used to have synthetically dyed, over processed hair. A few years ago I cut it all off and let it re-grow naturally. It's amazing how much better it looks and feels now.

    My favorite products for the hair are these: (warning: I'm a Lush fan! It's pricey, but geez is it amazing!)

    This is a pre-conditioning hair mask that's intensly moisturizing and full of strengthening protiens:
    www.lushusa.com/shop/produ...uan-wen-hua
    I also love their Jasmine and Henna Fluff-Ease hair mask, though it has a more mid-weight moisture level.

    This is a preservative-free solid conditioner with coco butter and avocado, I use it as a leave-in conditioner and it's amazing:
    www.lushusa.com/shop/produ...ners/jungle

    Here is their solid Henna blocks that I use:
    www.lushusa.com/shop/produ...a-hair-dyes
    These are wonderful because they're mixed with coco butter, clove, and depending on the bar, other ingredients like coffee, nettle, etc..
    They have a customer forum on the website too where you can read about the hennas (look for the thread titled "happy caca heads").

    Good luck with improving the health of your hair!
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Wed, October 7, 2009 - 10:09 PM
    Would all of these suggestions help with hair that's falling out?

    My only crime against locks is over-straightening and blow-drying! I recently all the black dye out of my hair, and have since started letting it grow out to my natural color... only now it's falling out! I've been taking some vitamin E, but I don't think it's doing much...

    My husband won't stop whining about the hair he finds in the drain. :(
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Thu, October 8, 2009 - 4:31 PM
    I have my Cassia & colored henna waiting for me to use it. This month I will be conditioning with cassia. When I have a few hours to kill, I'm going to color my hair with henna. Till then I have been using Aveeno shampoo and I have to say my hair isn't breaking as badly. My hair is still a bit dry and processed, but it has definitely improved. I would definitely recommend this shampoo to anyone who wants to take care of your damaged hair till you grow it out/ restyle it.
  • Re: overprocessed hair

    Thu, October 8, 2009 - 6:12 PM
    I am also a professional hair stylist and i have gone through the same thing.
    My hair used to be black and i recently went red.
    DO NOT USE HENNA ON YOUR HAIR IF YOU USE ANY CHEMICAL COLOR>
    Henna is a metallic die.IT works great on virgin hair(non processes with chemical color)
    The metallic die interacts with the chemicals in the hair and could make you hair break off.
    If you are really bent on using Henna,make sure that you have no chemicals in you hair at all.
    This means no semi permanent color, permanent color or perm.
    Hope this helps a bit
    Anna
    • Re: overprocessed hair

      Thu, October 8, 2009 - 6:49 PM
      This is only true if you're using a boxed henna product, which is a compound of henna and other substances like metallic salts. 100% pure henna (body art quality) is NOT a metallic dye and can be used over chemical color. Several of us in this tribe can vouch for that from personal experience, as can people on the hennaforhair.com forum and longhaircareforum.com

      This topic has been discussed on this tribe before (which is how I learned that I could switch to henna without having to let all my chemically dyed hair grow out first). Check out any of these threads:
      dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/...4c882f52
      dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/...e36bee51
      dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/...fe798f8b
      • Re: overprocessed hair

        Fri, October 9, 2009 - 12:00 AM
        Yes, henna is made from leaves and is NOT metallic! For goodness sake, don't use henna with metals in it!!
        Make sure you get high-quality henna without the nasty additives.

        And to the gal with the hair falling out issue- Firstly, don't over-process your hair, and second, try a shampoo or treatment that has proteins that strengthen the hair follicle, and also try products with spices (like cinnamon and clove) that increase circulation to the scalp.
        • Re: overprocessed hair

          Sat, October 10, 2009 - 7:28 AM
          Thanks for the advice! LOL, I wish I didn't have to process my hair...but I have super dark hair with grays that peek out...the processing upkept my hair color. Howver, since I have wavy hair its a bit on the dry side and it took its toll...so at least now I've found a better way to cover my grays (with henna).

          Blondes really do have more fun though, heh, since their hair is light enough to conceal some gray strands!
      • Re: overprocessed hair

        Fri, October 9, 2009 - 9:15 PM
        Yes you aer absolutely correct!
        I assumed that the product used was box henna.
        How silly of me to assume!
        Anna
        • Re: overprocessed hair

          Sun, October 11, 2009 - 6:34 AM
          i was going to say... henna + metal is not henna...

          and I' just did mine over a pretty stiff black chemical job and well... its hair is still in my head!!! =)

          but most professional hair people will tell you stay away from henna... but I believe from what I remember them saying is that its mostly because they can't get it out. its like a hair stylists nightmare for 'lifting' which is why they tell you stay away from it.

          If my memory serves me correctly. =) but my hair is all in tact thus far! =) getting ready to henna again over it!
          • Re: overprocessed hair

            Sun, October 11, 2009 - 2:29 PM
            Ye, they actually teach you that in cosmetology school...as much as other things have been updated, they haven't updated their info on henna, it sounds like.

            I have used a lighter hair colour after doing henna and had no problem with lift...I loved the shininess and all that the henna gave me, but the kind that I had access to just wasn't vibrant enough for me...so until I can manage to get my hands on some that's a bit more to my liking, I'm just gonna have to stick to regular hair colour...:-( I'd love to try some of the Punjabi Prime that they have on the hennaforhair site, but I can't order anything online...really sux!!!
            • Re: overprocessed hair

              Sun, October 11, 2009 - 8:16 PM
              bummer- the stuff I had over my black did a numbere I woke up after going to bed with black hair plus henna with an amazing fire red- not fire engine but that really sexy fire engine red like DAAAAMnnnnn coloured. was amazing to see the change in colour! =)

              sucks you can't get it where you are though. thats bushleague!

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