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Ok, wanted to get some honest opninions from fellow dancers out there.....
If you were going to take a 'Makeup for Dancers' specific workshop, what would you want to learn?? This would not be an everyday makeup workshop, so keep that in mind.
If you're wondering why I'm asking......well, it's because I'm teaching one at next years' 'Cues and Tattoos' festival, and have a bazillion ideas, but wanted to hear others thoughts on what they'd want to know.
Thanks alot ladies.....
xoxo
If you were going to take a 'Makeup for Dancers' specific workshop, what would you want to learn?? This would not be an everyday makeup workshop, so keep that in mind.
If you're wondering why I'm asking......well, it's because I'm teaching one at next years' 'Cues and Tattoos' festival, and have a bazillion ideas, but wanted to hear others thoughts on what they'd want to know.
Thanks alot ladies.....
xoxo
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Re: If you were gonna take a 'Makeup for Dancers' Workshop......
Tue, August 11, 2009 - 9:33 PMWhat a swell idea! Since it would be geared for dancers, I'm thinking about what kind of make-up to wear in various lighting (i.e. restaurant vs. stage, dark vs. well-lit, photography sessions vs. TV/cable taping). Maybe what colors compliment certain skin tones/colors (but maybe that's just individual experimentation).
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Re: If you were gonna take a 'Makeup for Dancers' Workshop......
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 2:52 AMI took one earlier this year - and I would definitely want:
A PROPER list of supplies to bring, not just "bring makeup" if you want people to practice applying it
Handouts with supplier names etc if you aren't planning to leave the slides up long enough to make notes
A bunch of different suggestions on where to draw harquus
Face charts showing the shading
Suggestions on colours to use (with different lighting arrays/ for different skin colours etc)
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Re: If you were gonna take a 'Makeup for Dancers' Workshop......
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 5:58 AMThings I cover in my Makeup & Hair for Dancers workshops ( www.belliphat.com/workshops.html ):
* Makeup basics (the color wheel, using & cleaning brushes, how to shape your eyebrows, the order that everything should be applied, etc)
* Use of concealer, primer & shading/contouring (things most people don't do or do incorrectly)
* The differences between street makeup products vs. stage makeup products (esp. Creme makeup)
* False eyelashes -- people are VERY intimidated/frustrated by these & often give up or wear the wrong kind and are therefore bothered by them while they're on
* Things to do when on stage vs. still photography vs. video (ie, why mica can be bad for the camera lens, the AMOUNT of makeup needed, etc)
* Tips & tricks -- like not completely rimming your eyes with liner, applying a white to your tearducts, creating a pout on your lips, etc
I also cover hair, in addition to makeup, because I think it's equally as important & equally as intimidating for most people -- didn't know if you wanted suggestions on that or not, though... -
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Wed, August 12, 2009 - 6:06 AMAlso...along the lines of what Alicia was saying... I give a handout that has links for vendors, links for online video tutorials, links for pretty much everything I reference in class. I also suggest books (like Kevin Aucoin's "Making Faces") & give them handouts on things like applying harquus & attaching hair falls. Also, since my workshop uses a slide presentation, I give everyone a hard copy of that presentation so they can have it for reference & take notes on it. -
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Wed, August 12, 2009 - 6:29 AM& Bella's workshop totally rocked my socks off! -
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Wed, August 12, 2009 - 6:55 AMaww, thanks, hon! :) ::blush::
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Wed, August 12, 2009 - 11:44 AMThis won't be including hair.....won't be enough time..... -
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Wed, August 12, 2009 - 11:59 AMYeah, that's why I have to do it in 2 classes. :)
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Thu, August 13, 2009 - 2:15 PMJust to throw in my 2 cents – btw, I'm still technically in the "remedial" make-up class
Choosing the proper colors, tones for YOUR face. (foundations, powders, cheeks, contours, highlights, eyes)
I want an eye chart! A diagram of WHERE the different colors go for different looks. Forget all this "in the crease"stuff – if you don't have a well-defined crease, you still don't know where to put it. Also including how the same colors look different based on where/how you use them.
Contouring/highlighting – definitely. I was at a makeup workshop earlier this year which did NOT cover this and I left completely disappointed and still guessing about how to do it.
A list of tools, with pictures of the different brushes, sponges, etc., in different sizes.
This may be impossible, but – a way to talk to people who are not daily makeup users that doesn't make them feel like they're already at a disadvantage because they're not daily users. Suggestions for what do if you have certain issues, which is why you're not a daily user. (For example, the workshop I was at, several of us brought up problems with lipstick because we don't use it often. Constant lip-rubbers, or dry chappy lips, etc. There needs to be an answer for that other than, "I don't know, I wear it all the time.")
And for other remedial students out there – a discussion of different "tribal looks." Like bindis. Or the people who use "dots" in their makeup. Do the dots mean something, or do they just look kinda neat? I don't want to use them if I don't understand them. When to use "Egyptian" eyes, when not to, etc.
If there's time – I SOOOOOO want to attend a "no holds barred, let the freak out" makeup workshop. Makeup for the people who aren't trying to look like a woman. How to open the proverbial box and seriously go wild. I have great ideas in my mind, but when I sit down to try to do it, I come out all conservative.
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Fri, August 14, 2009 - 3:13 PMArabic eyes...how to. I'd rather see this in person than just in a youtube clip.
Hurricane-proof performance makeup.... putting it on, keeping it on, even through multiple 20-minute sweaty sets.
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Re: If you were gonna take a 'Makeup for Dancers' Workshop......
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 7:25 AMyou know what would be cool is a basic hand out w/ a fairly plane lined face, just pencil drawn (like the charts you get at the department stores when they want you to make a note of what they used where so you can come back and buy it later if you aren't that day)
and be able to identify face types, shapes and what shading/lineing techniques work on them and WHY (they why often helps explain the actual doing i.e. lining small eyes all the way aorund w/ black eyeliner is actually closing the eye in making it appear SMALLER than it was before- lining a large eye they same will have a different effect- or don't try to cover stuff up with DARKER stuff... use a LIGHTER material, reflects more light and makes it appear to be a more full surface for say bags under the eyes etc)
those things help me, b/c you aren't just putting on make up, you are often trying to create a picture out of something that is either NOT there or is very small. So you use colours in appropriate places and lines to create the image you want people to see, not just enhancing something already there.
that and generic brands of must haves... and good brushes to use. i am usually going through brushes trying to find the right one constantly.
oh yeah... and THROW your mascra AWAY!!!! most women don't know when their make up 'expires' or how long they should continue to use it or not (yeah I'm guilty too... I have mascra that sits in my truck for emergencies, it's probably a year old... shoudl be totally tossed... its so not healthy)
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Wed, August 12, 2009 - 7:39 AM>> most women don't know when their make up 'expires' or how long they should continue to use it or not
Oh, yeah - that's another one under the "makeup basics" -- makeup expiration, bacteria buildup, allergic reactions, chemical makeup of products, etc -
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Wed, August 12, 2009 - 11:20 AMMight be worth checking out "Basic Make-up for Performance & Photography" DVD by Azhia.
It has a good outline of basics and topics.
Comes with a super cool printable PDF full of tips, tricks, techniques, etc (and a color wheel & color theory!)
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Re: If you were gonna take a 'Makeup for Dancers' Workshop......
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 11:37 AMA big one for me....how to keep your makeup from sweating off! I would kill for a sure-fire way to help with this.
Another one would be apllication differences between makeup for outdoor events in natural daylight and then for stage.
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Re: If you were gonna take a 'Makeup for Dancers' Workshop......
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 11:40 AMThese are all great ideas. Most of which I'm planning on doing. It will be 2 hours so I don't want to overwhelm anyone so I was thinking handouts at the beginning would be a great idea. I do makeup lessons for individuals at the spa I work at but it's generally not for stage makeup. I love the creativity that we can do on our faces for dancing and am so looking forward to sharing my ideas with others as well as basics. I want to ignite creativity as well. Like showing looks that can be easily changed by using different colors and/or adjusting the looks depending on the persons eye shape, face shape etc.
Thanks for all the feedback!
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Re: If you were gonna take a 'Makeup for Dancers' Workshop......
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 12:55 PMThe thing I most hear about is how to do eyes of different shapes. I got lucky and have "perfect make up eyes"...well so people tell me. I don't have many issues figuring out stuff for myself but, doing make up for others for shows...I've ran into snags trying to figure out how to apply for *down turned eyes (well ya can't follow the "road work" or they end up looking like basset hounds with droopy eyes),
*smaller eyes (how the hell are you supposed to fit so much make up in such a small space),
*larger eyes (no one likes to look like a clown...well most people anyway).
Through trial and error, lots of youtube tutorials, and a lot of make up remover, I eventually found the way...but it would have been a lot easier if I had taken a make-up workshop that taught all of that stuff. :) Contouring is a big one...thank god for carriefairfield.com...those queens can contour a jelly bean looking bowling ball and it would end up looking wonderful...but me, I'm still a work in progress.
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Wed, August 12, 2009 - 1:15 PMI am definitely going to be emphasizing the eyes in this workshop! Not just ideas in general but how to makeup a variety of eye shapes! Seems based on this post, that is the biggest issue! I want to show looks that can be adjusted for a variety of eye shapes so everyone walks away inspired! -
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Thu, August 13, 2009 - 7:04 AMLeana- your right on point....
as I said you are trying to re-create a look by defining and redrawing like a picture to show what you want, not what is... and that comes to lines and angles and emphasizing how the eye is shaped to its advantage or disadvantage. I think to many people look at it is 'just make up' instead of my face is a canvas, I have this and this and this to work with.... but I want my end result to be X. what can I do to make it go from this to this.
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Thu, August 13, 2009 - 11:23 AMJaw on floor....wow....it's a LOT more complicated than I thought! And this doesn't even include hair?! -
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Fri, August 14, 2009 - 7:32 PMthere's alot to know and teach which is why I posted this. if I cover too many things in a 2 hour period, people will come away frustrated and uninspired.....which is the opposite of my intention! -
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Sat, August 22, 2009 - 9:09 AMAw...I wanna come!
Pity I'm so far away - especially since this is one kind of dance related workshop I can take while recovering from my long term hip injury... :(
We really don't have stage makeup workshops here, and I don't think people take it seriously enough at all.
Tsunami safe stage makeup, eye shapes, faceshapes in general and location/lighting specific tutoring would all appeal to me, but from the little I know about teaching, I'd say that even one of thos subjects could do with more than two hours... :P
I AM looking forwards to hear how it went, though - and maybe watching pictures of some of the participant's results too. :)
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Sat, August 22, 2009 - 4:13 PM"Putting liner on during an earthquake: Eye liner application for those with shaky hands."
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Sat, August 22, 2009 - 4:21 PMIn two words----"Stage Makeup" -
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Sun, August 23, 2009 - 11:56 AMOne in the UK for a start off - lol.
Stage Makeup.
Concealing/shading parts of your face that arent your best feature
Applying false eyelashes
Quick change makeup ideas - by that I mean if you are doing a solo that has a very specific look to it but have to dance later that same night with your dance class/troupe
Learning the difference between going out with your friends makeup and performance makeup
Hips tips, do's and donts
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Mon, August 24, 2009 - 9:24 AMhi ladies- so cool to see all the feed back about what everyone wants to learn-
we've expanded a costuming workshop i'll be teaching at the 3rd coast festival to include some make up and hair...
i'm planning on covering how to create shapes with your eye makeup, how to get it nice and dark(and sweatproof) of course a big part of eye make up is brushes so i'll be including that as well as preping/priming your face.
i'm also going to cover lipstick and how important color is to creating your whole "look"
it sounds like eyelashes are also something everyone could use some tips on so i'll be sure to include that! -
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Mon, August 24, 2009 - 9:11 PMSo much to cover right?? My workshop will emphasize eyes, but I will be including the sweatproof tips, brush tips, lip tips, lashes etc! I'm glad my post could help someone else out!
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Mon, August 24, 2009 - 11:52 AMZee - I have done 2 makeup workshops in the UK in the last 12 months! And I think Moirai are doing another one at Tribal Vibe in October. -
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Tue, August 25, 2009 - 10:50 AMYep but I am in Scotland lol so unless someone is coming to Tribe Vibe North lol
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Sun, September 6, 2009 - 10:32 AMEYES EYES EYES! All things about eyes. and Eyebrows. Im clueless about eyebrows. :(
Makeup tools. High and Low end. :)
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Mon, August 24, 2009 - 9:17 PMBy the way.........
For those of you who do not know what 'Cues and Tattoos' is, please check out www.troupehipnotica.com for info. It will be the 3rd year next March of this fabulous Tribal/Improv festival here in Seattle, WA. The ladies of Troupe Hipnotica are the brains behind this unique festival, they rock! Lots of workshops (including my makeup workshop), performance, shopping etc! -
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Mon, August 24, 2009 - 9:23 PMI'll see you there! We'll be performing (I think) and I'm gonna tell everyone in my troupe about your workshop. -
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Tue, August 25, 2009 - 3:14 PMOne more suggestion. If possible, provide brands and color names for drug store cosmetics. Not everyone can afford MAC. -
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Tue, August 25, 2009 - 4:19 PMThat's for sure Trista. Some of us are having a Mac free year. But it's on my Christmas splurge list. -Freya
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Fri, August 28, 2009 - 10:54 AMliners. I find that my every day eye liner doesn't give a dramatic enough effect with the rest of my performance make-up so I end up fiddling for ages making this bit thicker and that bit thicker and adding flicks here and there until I poke myself in the eye.
Also I think I'd quite like to learn balance. My eyes are the only nice part of my face so I've always made them a focal point with jewel toned shimmers and big lashes but as a result of focussing on them I'm totally clueless about lipstick (as in matching colours to the rest of the scheme or skin tone, lip liner (last time I tried that I looked like a drag queen) etc). Frequently I look back at pictures of myself dancing and my pace is just a pale nothingness with huge eyes lol. I've only recently ventured into the realms of blusher to try and balance it out a bit. -
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Fri, August 28, 2009 - 1:59 PMMy eyes are the only nice part of my face
Are you kidding? You are gorgeous! : )
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Wed, September 2, 2009 - 6:53 AMstage performance + drag queen = awesome make up for the audiance. =) you are not far from what you want, you should look goofy up close!
And don't say your eyes are only the nice part- Bush league! you is lovely!!!! -
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Mon, September 7, 2009 - 11:50 AMawww thanks! *blushes* I guess we're all most picky about our own faces. My self-image is improving since I lost weight lol. I'll get there, but currently my eyes are the only bit I actually like!!!!
Anyway, the drag queen bit I get for eyes but when I tried the lip liner it's the colours that I can't seem to match. I always choose too dark a shade and then I end up with this bizarre-looking ring around my lips lol.
I hear there is a guy somewhere around here that is a make-up artist so I may try and persuade him to do a dance make-up workshop. -
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Tue, September 8, 2009 - 5:54 AMfrom what I understand- and there was a cool link to a princess farhana make up tips where she says this- is that the goofy ring around the lips usually doesn't look that odd from a distance- and I have found that w/ my lip stains where it wears off in the middle and leaves me a touch darker on the outside- really doesn't look that odd from 10 feet away. now anything closer than say 5 it does but past 10 you should be fine for stage make up!
same goes for blush/bronzer (which should go below your chin/neck to your chest so you don't get the pretty make up face and blinding casper chest effect!) -
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Wed, September 9, 2009 - 1:58 PMSorry if this has already been said, but I'm running out of time, and don't have time to read all of the comments!
When I first got into trible I had no idea what to do for makeup hair or costuming. I think it would be really good at the start to maybe just explain the difference between Tribal and Triblal Fusion makeup, maybe even talk about what the the reasons behind certain things is (for instance the line from the lip down the chin, I don't know what it means or why it's there, but I have seen it on so many tribal dancers that I always do it even though I don't know why that reason is. I guess I just associate it with Tribal) and maybe talk about what are really good brands for dancers and performers ie; sweat proof, using a base that won't look odd, but that might help with people that get a very red face when they dance (thats something that i suffer from alot, and I am very uncomfterable with it).
And I don't know if this would be going outside what you where wanting to do, but I had no clue at all with what to do with my hair or how. Maybe you could help with that as well.
Hope that helps and again sorry if I have repeated something someone else has said! It's a really good idea. I can't tell you how many times I have been on the verge of asking teachers to spend a bit of time on hair and makeup in classes. (I never did because we were to busy dancing :D)
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Re: If you were gonna take a 'Makeup for Dancers' Workshop......
Wed, September 9, 2009 - 3:29 PMWe all know eyes are shaped differently, showing how the makeup can be applied to suit the eye shape would be nice.
And for those of us who like our big eyebrows, give us looks we can do too. Every makeup tutorial I see has tiny eyebrows so you can use the browbone as part of your palette of color. Show me something that doesn't involve this look.
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Re: If you were gonna take a 'Makeup for Dancers' Workshop......
Fri, September 11, 2009 - 8:53 AMI would love to learn what type of makeup looks best under stage lighting or restaurant lighting, what looks good from a distance (to an audience member), and what type of makeup is sweat-proof.
Personally my problem area is eyes: I have no clue how to do eye makeup.
I would also like to know which products are hypoallergenic.
