I understand, but you're right, practice & time does make a difference. How long did it take you to get this comfortable with the liquid liner? Were as stealthy as you are now when you first bought/tried it? :)

I find that for creme liners, the brush does make the difference. I can't stand the ones that come with the HIP liners, for instance. I went to the art store & bought a small, angled brush like this: www.reuels.com/reuels/med...s80349L.jpg ...and I mean *tiny*. I find that I can get the control from that like you can with the liquid felt-tip liner. But since you're comfortable with the felt liner, you might try a brush that mimics that, like this one: www.goodcharacters.com/images...2-1.jpg

Also, the more you pay for it, the better the quality. I like the HIP ones in general, but the fluidity of the MAC one is on a whole other level -- and also may make it easier to apply. Ben Nye also has creme liners (their "Creme Foundations" & "Creme Colors" on page 8 & 9: www.bennye.com/image/2007...Catalog.pdf ) & their quality is outstanding as well.