Tribe.net. Local Connections Eve http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#bc7de720-e281-4e79-aa0d-37d064505283 2008-04-03T09:11:49Z 2008-04-03T09:11:49Z

Just chipping in, the Paul Penders products are working very well and I'm sticking with them. My hair is naturally full and shiny. One thing to watch for if you're going 'poo or cone free. Some natural conditioners use wax, which is great if you're using shampoo, it's not so great if you're not, it can build up on your hair.

Eve 2008-04-03T09:11:49Z Nienna http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#18fdd3f0-ccdf-488c-9908-5a6cc9f87a1a 2008-04-02T19:30:25Z 2008-04-02T19:30:25Z

I am currently at the end of my first week of switching from regular shampoo to one of Serpentine hair's (spelling?) shampoo bars with all natural ingredients. So far my hair is rather meh, but I suppose that's to be expected. It also feels like there's a kind of film on it, so I think I may be using too much. The bars take some getting used to after being accustomed to using liquid shampoo that lathers up loads of suds. I'm also trying to go three or four days between using it, so I'm hoping that my hair will start to look nice soon! *fingers crossed*

Nienna 2008-04-02T19:30:25Z Lyn http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#944f45ce-8cfd-4394-be9e-43624790b1a7 2008-04-02T17:36:53Z 2008-04-02T17:36:53Z

Oooh yeah...me too! I seen this post, did a little research on it, and now I too am on the poo free bandwagon! My hair is shiny, softer, not frizzy, and the henna has kept so well in my hair.........It's been a month and I couldn't be happier!

Lyn 2008-04-02T17:36:53Z Nezer http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#3823a862-c3c4-4266-a78d-bd1f79d549ec 2008-03-28T19:17:30Z 2008-03-28T19:17:30Z

Thanks for this post! I am so going no poo and not looking back. And thanks for live journal and long hair community forum links as well!

Nezer 2008-03-28T19:17:30Z Amy http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#3fe27c8f-a5e1-4831-b119-5dba54dd6113 2008-03-25T22:00:46Z 2008-03-25T22:00:46Z

I made my own soap and used that. It's easy to do (I suggest hot process method--gets it down in about an hour). Most handmade soap receipes are superfatted for safety, but that also means there's left over oils in the finished soap, which acts as a natural conditioner. Unfortunately, the veggie oils will start to build up on your hair, so I did a vinegar rinse every few weeks to clear that off (or go back to a commercial shampoo for the day).

Amy 2008-03-25T22:00:46Z Marisela http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#0cdd7b55-8a15-4d4a-bd2c-d13aa9a75951 2008-03-25T20:37:25Z 2008-03-25T20:37:25Z

the BS dried my hair out! i'm doing condition only but since hte b/s dry out it has been a mess! and gets frizzy fast.

Marisela 2008-03-25T20:37:25Z Jivete http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#d82cb0b8-5652-443e-a566-89597b786d97 2008-03-25T16:27:30Z 2008-03-25T16:27:30Z

I just had to comment that because of this thread I too have been poo-free for 1 month. My hair has changed a ton (very wavy now and a different texture) but I like it. I used to have to wash/condition every day or I'd be greasy. Now I wash it every other day, alternating between water only and a Shikakai/Amla/Neem mix with ACV rinses. It really doesn't need to be "washed" every other day, but I like to shower and when I shower I like to get my head wet. I'm experimenting with leave-in conditioners that are lighter than oils and the flaxseed gel, but overall I'm super happy and my head no longer itches and I haven't broken out on my back since I quit the poo. BTW, I only had about a week and a half of greasy hair before it started regulating better.

Jivete 2008-03-25T16:27:30Z Fariha http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#b7a3ba23-7e69-4735-88ca-a18b61d6e9bd 2008-03-25T15:06:09Z 2008-03-25T15:06:09Z

ditto! (i know guys who choose to believe that women don't poo..... silly boys)

Fariha 2008-03-25T15:06:09Z Fariha http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#ba165ed9-5c63-4417-9a7d-99a57014426a 2008-03-25T15:04:13Z 2008-03-25T15:04:13Z

use a bristly brush to comb the oil down the hair shaft. it's your body's natural conditioner ^_~

Fariha 2008-03-25T15:04:13Z Lisa http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#26e925a9-7523-4e35-91c4-3ddf2014538c 2008-03-25T02:46:33Z 2008-03-25T02:46:33Z

Well, regardless, I'm glad you're getting the results you're looking for! I was asking because of what I had read in the community about frequent BS washes and greasiness. If it works for *you* and *you*'re happy, then those comments don't matter :)

Lisa 2008-03-25T02:46:33Z Stefanie http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#f7e932b0-6d9f-49d1-9774-7063e2254c93 2008-03-25T02:40:06Z 2008-03-25T02:40:06Z

Hi - I use the entire 16 oz bottle. I don't think I need that much (may 12 oz would do) but it's easy for me to measure in 16oz increments.

Stefanie 2008-03-25T02:40:06Z Stefanie http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#8dcb6c44-dcf6-4f30-ad41-72268e23e0c2 2008-03-25T02:39:00Z 2008-03-25T02:39:00Z

Hi Lisa I did read about that. I think that when I say "greasy" I mean "normal oil". I never went greasy when I started...remember too I've been using dog shampoo with only one ingredient being a "derived" natural ingredient. If I don't wash every day/every other day, it's just far too heavy for me to style and maintain after a few days. It doesn't look greasy or oily (I have a few friends at work and home helping out with honest feedback). It feels fine after a two days or after a workout...I just can't *do* anything with it. In the past year I've been curling and styling now and again. It won't take a curl as well after 48 hours. Also, I *like* the way it feels after a wash. It's way too much hair and way to fine for it to go more than two days without a wash. If I'm still in detox, that's fine. I still like the way my hair is responding.. If I'm out of detox, washing every day or every other day is working for me. Although it may not work out for other people.

Stefanie 2008-03-25T02:39:00Z Lisa http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#00c785f4-28d0-49dc-86e1-d04bf9324989 2008-03-25T00:19:33Z 2008-03-25T00:19:33Z

Ah - I see it's not referenced above. http://community.livejournal.com/no_poo

Lisa 2008-03-25T00:19:33Z Lisa http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#49e4fc92-2280-40b8-87ef-f983743a1337 2008-03-25T00:17:09Z 2008-03-25T00:17:09Z

have you gone through the detox phase yet? it sounds like you might be stuck in detox. i can work out and sweat and just do water washes without having to actually do a BS wash. i used to have very oily hair, but these days with no-poo, i'm only washing maybe once every 7-10 days... have you looked through the no_poo livejournal community?

Lisa 2008-03-25T00:17:09Z Bellatrix http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#4a428f4a-daac-4bdf-8b35-dde6bcd7441d 2008-03-25T00:03:07Z 2008-03-25T00:03:07Z

Stephanie -- stupid question for you: do you use the entire 16oz bottle on your hair each time, or just a half-palm-full, like you would with normal shampoo/conditioner?

Bellatrix 2008-03-25T00:03:07Z Stefanie http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#26d2af9e-4560-4408-bb28-ca515f7297c1 2008-03-24T23:31:28Z 2008-03-24T23:31:28Z

yeah - I tried those options. It's fine on the days I don't work out. If I work out...I've got to wash daily. I'm also pretty oily (generally) which is why 2 tbsp BS works better for me I think. workout + no wash + 24h after work out = greasy

Stefanie 2008-03-24T23:31:28Z Stefanie http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#c032f0e9-6e5e-4f28-aca4-78b183b1a394 2008-03-24T23:29:32Z 2008-03-24T23:29:32Z

yeah - I tried that - but I'm pretty oily generally. I can go a day, but I'm also very active and my hair get's all greasy 24 hours after working out/sweating a bunch.

Stefanie 2008-03-24T23:29:32Z Lisa http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#48788f5f-39df-4a66-ae6a-9e8b694baaf5 2008-03-24T23:24:32Z 2008-03-24T23:24:32Z

I'm at almost 2 months now of no-poo thanks to this post -- and an evangelical convert at that :) Stefanie- You might try not washing every day and see if your hair can handle it. It'll be better for you in the long run because the natural oils will get to work their magic. Or just nix the BS wash if you wash every day and do just ACV or just water...

Lisa 2008-03-24T23:24:32Z Stefanie http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#a626f49a-6513-48f2-9b0f-b77809a97818 2008-03-24T22:23:26Z 2008-03-24T22:23:26Z

Sorry about reviving this thread - I just want to say thanks...if you've read my previous posts and possibly my blogs, you'd know that I am having allregic reactions to shampoos - painful, scummy, smelly, sore-like reactions. Dog shampoo was working good for me...until now...I've in love with BS/ACV! I've been using it for two weeks and since day one, it's been fantastic. Here's what I do: 1) Two TSP baking soda to 2 cups water (I started out with two TSP and was happy with that but then I re-read the thread and then tried one TSP - my hair was a bit oily so I went back to two). I add 3 drops vetiver (smells like patchouli). 2) One TSP ACV with 2 cups water. I add 3-4 drops cinnamon oil as inspired by another user. How I got this to work with my routine (I purchased some bath items to make this easy for me and pretty in my bathroom): 1) I got two 16oz shampoo-type bottles with flip to disc cap (I got them at Trader Joes filled with grapefruit body wash - Dumped the wash into the dispenser in my shower that came with my apartment!) 2) I got a 1 TSP measuring spoon and small funnel 3) I purchased a fancy lotion pump from my local bath store - for the vinegar 4) I also had an unused glass powder jar (with lid) - for the baking soda 5) I found a small jar with a lid that held the essential oil, spoon, and funnel I figured out that about three pumps of the vinegar equals about one tablespoon. I pump that right into the bottle. Add the cinnamon and fill with warm water. I use the small funnel for the baking soda, add the vetiver and water. This works great for me and looks nice in my bathroom too! I've also noticed a few things about my hair....I can wash every day without dryness. In the past, I'd loose a lot of hair in the shower and when I got out, my hair was very difficult to brush wet (therefore...I would wait until dry). My hair was full of tangles (my hair is thick, fine, and straight...and *used to* dread very easily!). Now when I exit the shower, I can run a brush through my hair without ANY resistance! It's like a freakin' shampoo commercial in my bathrooms - perfectly soft and fluffy and untangled hair! And...my scalp smells GREAT! Especially when working out. My BF loves it too! Thank you ladies...

Stefanie 2008-03-24T22:23:26Z Susan http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#dc1142a1-d3ac-4570-843e-827192b551c1 2008-03-19T12:44:34Z 2008-03-19T12:44:34Z

I was right there with you ladies on that one

Susan 2008-03-19T12:44:34Z Amulya http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#a3cbc1f5-8aa6-4dae-a7df-7b7fdfacf757 2008-03-19T04:21:59Z 2008-03-19T04:21:59Z

eeewwww!!!

Amulya 2008-03-19T04:21:59Z Angela http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#3498f5b3-3e8f-4c8f-a1d5-9d01e0d08ea8 2008-03-18T05:31:07Z 2008-03-18T05:31:07Z

I wasn't sure if I saw this response - so sorry if I duplicate DO NOT HENNA your hair if you plan on getting another perm. They do not work well together.

Angela 2008-03-18T05:31:07Z Carla http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#d289ee3c-59ba-45f7-9c5f-25701675cd6d 2008-03-18T03:01:53Z 2008-03-18T03:01:53Z

Sorry, that should have been: http://soapnuts.wordpress.com/ I got to surfing, and well...at least it's an interesting page :)

Carla 2008-03-18T03:01:53Z Tammy http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#8645be0e-99e5-4f3a-93c3-475b41e79b01 2008-03-18T02:54:30Z 2008-03-18T02:54:30Z

I think I'm to scared of being a grease monkey for a few days going shampoo free. Although I know it would be much better for my hair. I know when I was a kid my mom had us use Mane n' Tail. It wasn't until I was older that I realized it was a shampoo/conditioner for horses....

Tammy 2008-03-18T02:54:30Z Carla http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#540e3f64-de4e-4f16-b4dc-461370a1a6e1 2008-03-18T02:44:05Z 2008-03-18T02:44:05Z

There's a product called soap nuts that you can soak or boil to make a soapy liquid you can wash hair and skin with. I use the nuts to wash our laundry, and haven't tried making the liquid version yet, but it's a vegan alternative to shampoo. You can read about it here: http://www.soapnuts.com/ or just google it.

Carla 2008-03-18T02:44:05Z Stefanie http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#403b4257-465e-41f2-831e-4930cce3bf0d 2008-03-17T19:05:56Z 2008-03-17T19:05:56Z

I used to use the dog shampoo and tied bs/acv - I LOVE it! Very soft and aside from the essential oils I add...no odor. Very clean and soft feeling! Thanks! I'm hooked!

Stefanie 2008-03-17T19:05:56Z Eve http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#724b9758-9a82-48d8-ae47-b0eefcca9722 2008-03-17T16:01:19Z 2008-03-17T16:01:19Z

Ojon is pretty good, not tried WEN. It seems more expensive and lots of people do 'poo and 'cone free washing more cheaply. And I admit I am tempted to try wen but I must give a shout out to a new brand I've started using. Paul Penders http://www.paulpenders.com/ My hair and scalp feels very good with this. So far no build I sometimes got when doing conditioner only washes, no itchy scalp from too much sls.

Eve 2008-03-17T16:01:19Z Stephanie http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#dfdffefc-1542-48e6-8b78-4fb5dc8a042c 2008-03-09T19:24:31Z 2008-03-09T19:24:26Z

Yesterday morning I turned on the TV while I was doing laundry and this TV informercial thing was on, and I wasn't really paying that much attention at first, but the remote was MIA and eventually I got sucked into it. Its a product I've never heard of before called WEN by Chaz Dean - he sells a "cleansing conditioner" it looks like u can buy it through him, his informericals, QVC or Amazon... http://www.wenhaircare.com/index.php?acnt=MSZZD000&s_kwcid=TC-8147-1046242185-e-23394247 I hate informercials, but I have to say I am really tempted to try it out. For the last 6 months or so I've been using Ojon and its the best shampoo, conditioner I've ever used. I also like what they are supporting. Quote from their page on Sephora.com Within the deepest regions of the world's tropical rainforests live highly potent plant extracts known only to the indigenous people who have lived there in harmony with their natural environment for hundreds of years. Ojon introduces wild-crafted (a.k.a. seriously natural) remedies for hair and skin enriched with nourishing Ojon oil found in these flourishing rainforests. The indigenous people continue to harvest these ingredients using traditional methods, ensuring the survival of one of the world's most vital natural environments, yet honoring their purity and potency by keeping them as raw and unspoiled as possible. It smells so yummy, almost coffee'ish w/ a palm nut oil. Just a dab of their Restorative Hair Treatment totally transforms my curly hair into manageable shiny locks. My hair dresser was amazed at the transformation in after 3 months of using it. I use the Restorative Hair Treatment every other week or so. I put it in my hair, comb it through, focus on the ends and let it soack in for a few hours while I do housework, workout, etc. just keeping the hair wrapped up in a bun, then I shampoo it out. I have been happy with Ojon, but I'm really intersted in this WEN stuff. If anyone has tried it please let me know!!!

Stephanie 2008-03-09T19:24:26Z Katrina http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#ac01474c-6271-4c73-9bfd-2d137b107f39 2008-03-06T00:43:15Z 2008-03-06T00:43:15Z

It really depends on the person and hair type. I agree that for some, SLS and silicone aren't awful things...but for me, the cycle of drying it out with SLS shampoo, then needing a silicone smoother because it's frizzy, then needing SLS to get the 'cones out...well, it was an unpleasant cycle. My hair is happier without either. Most people with dry-ish or curly hair do better without SLS.

Katrina 2008-03-06T00:43:15Z Eve http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#f927e091-6060-462f-bd89-f2d298dd035d 2008-03-05T15:56:20Z 2008-03-05T15:56:20Z

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/ is very good for offering advice on going 'poo free, 'cone free, water only and pretty much whatever other combo you would like to try. Burts Bees grapefruit conditioner is great but at over £10 a bottle and having long hair you can go through a lot of it. I have some conditioners that contain silcones but I never let them near my scalp and use them if I've had to wash and blow dry my hair alot ( I know bad) Oil for your hair works very well if it's dry. I'm waiting for an order of Paul Penders shampoo/conditioner to come through.

Eve 2008-03-05T15:56:20Z Zaria http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#a0b0f59d-70b7-48db-ba1a-3c7a4e20e524 2008-03-05T03:20:48Z 2008-03-05T03:20:48Z

the baking soda/vinegar is more for a once in a while cleansing of your hair, not to be used on a regular basis...good luck with your search!

Zaria 2008-03-05T03:20:48Z Stefanie http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#74a185fa-245e-4d8d-aa4e-1349d02db3f4 2008-03-04T17:19:03Z 2008-03-04T17:19:03Z

Please check out my blog to see why, but basically, I was suffering from cankerous sores all over my head from human hair wash. YOu *don't* need all the chemicals... My blog link is below. http://sanfrancisco.tribe.net/template/pub%2Coc%2CDetail.vm?topicid=6bcec6bd-d08e-4531-85e9-57ed35702df6&plugin=blog&inst=1391083

Stefanie 2008-03-04T17:19:03Z Nepenthe http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#7402cd2e-8ef5-40e2-bbab-cf803d3e1b58 2008-03-04T16:15:00Z 2008-03-04T16:15:00Z

wow - I was really worried about what this thread would contain when I opened it. I didn't know how you could really go "poo free". I have a friend that only shampoos every two weeks. Her hair is long and lustrous. I can't quite do that but I cut down from daily shampoos to every other day to every two days and my hair is much healthier.

Nepenthe 2008-03-04T16:15:00Z Marianna http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#33a2287f-83b6-4b9b-b789-52abdb3f422d 2008-03-04T00:10:40Z 2008-03-04T00:10:40Z

Hmmmm - I waa a haircutter for 16 years, working with the early version of 'natural' products. I know that a highly acidic rinse, especially vinegar and such, is very damaging, since it is too far on the acidic side of the PH. I rarely buy anything from the drugstore. You need a serious 'reconstructor',( not just a conditioner) The best is by Biolage', Nexus or Paul Mitchell. Then use a moisturizing shampoo like Nexus Therape', and /or some moisturizer daily, like Nexus Humetress. The good news is that there is a line of Generics at beauty supply stores, which is alot cheaper, and does the job well. I used to mess with my fine, straight hair alot when I was in the business, and many years later. But I found that if I just stopped perming it, putting alot of color on it, etc. --- it grew ! Now its my natural platinum silver at age 63. General rule of thumb --- If you gotta color, then don't perm, because its a double whammy of damage ! Good luck!

Marianna 2008-03-04T00:10:40Z Samara http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#64dbc534-8e9c-4494-bfb9-5bc9e8934ebb 2008-03-03T00:12:30Z 2008-03-03T00:12:30Z

oops, forgot to mention about the oily roots. Only apply conditioner from the ponytail down, Your hair is already healthy on the top so you don't need to smooth the cuticle of the hair shaft and also add the extra moisture to your roots.

Samara 2008-03-03T00:12:30Z Samara http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#12e678eb-4fbc-4f3f-8258-b3daa0e3c905 2008-03-03T00:11:22Z 2008-03-03T00:11:22Z

as a stylist, I ask my clients what type of brush they use. It can make a difference. If it pulls on the hair too much then, it will break it (especially when wet). If you pull on hair that is color treated....even worse! Also, if you pull your hair back wet into a pony tail or something similar, this too can cause breakage. This is why; when hair is wet, it stretches and as it dries it shrinks, so if you pull it back fully stretched wet into that band, what do you think happens as it dries? It BREAKS! Also, a flat iron without any protectant can cause heat damage and for the hair to look dry. Hope this helps!!

Samara 2008-03-03T00:11:22Z Julianne http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#4b2b79b4-bac4-4971-b743-081d7221dd40 2008-02-28T18:50:57Z 2008-02-28T18:50:57Z

Wow! so many replys to your post!!! Thereis alot to say about this topic for sure! as a hairdresser of 17 years, I would skip the perm idea and let your hair be in it's healthiest virginal state. don't be afraid of a little color to add body , just be willing to invest in an experienced and trusted hair dresser who uses professinal products. I reccomend Aveda color to preserve the hairs integrity. You can always add curls by sleeping in rag curls or braids. that is a much healthier option than a perm. I also reccomend trying 'Purology' products. They are organic and sulfate free. worth every penny too! I have never used anything better! and I have been at this hair biz for a long time. give it a try. consider when trying the vinegar method: it will change your hairs p.h. to a dry state. just shampoo less often if you can and always condition!!! good luck!

Julianne 2008-02-28T18:50:57Z $item.owner.firstName http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#96bd23a4-ed14-4ebd-b8e5-829665abd3dc 2008-02-25T20:51:29Z 2008-02-25T20:51:29Z

Yes, ask your hairdresser about henna and perms before you do anything! The two really don't mix, but maybe after the perm, it would be OK. Your hairdresser would know that for sure. Good luck!

$item.owner.firstName 2008-02-25T20:51:29Z Lisa http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#8de9216d-bf23-4888-ad5a-1ad348c6f465 2008-02-25T19:28:08Z 2008-02-25T19:28:08Z

yep! i've written most of it up here: http://mrsmalkav.livejournal.com/tag/no-poo

Lisa 2008-02-25T19:28:08Z Maral http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#9bed2938-2fe9-4a52-8136-283e4e9c444d 2008-02-25T19:22:09Z 2008-02-25T19:22:09Z

What method did you use - the baking soda/ACV?

Maral 2008-02-25T19:22:09Z Elle http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#ae99c0b9-eda3-4edf-922e-13898ff1a0c9 2008-02-25T13:32:57Z 2008-02-25T13:32:57Z

that stuff is VERY important to know, especially with the effects that all these additional hormones can have on you. most people are more aware of it now, so companies are starting to try to hide facts about their products. really sucks. thanks for the tips! :)

Elle 2008-02-25T13:32:57Z Lisa http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#8477bea8-66aa-4c5f-b958-acd4baefd16b 2008-02-25T07:31:51Z 2008-02-25T07:31:51Z

so after you posted this, i did it. and my results are GREAT. my hairdresser was flat out ASTONISHED at the results. she was so blown away by what has happened to my hair in the last three and a half weeks that she's looking into it for herself. thank you so much for posting this and getting my attention. treating my hair like it's this broken thing that needs "fixing" was SUCH the wrong thing for me to have been doing all these years.

Lisa 2008-02-25T07:31:51Z Qamar http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#b2b97dc1-6be6-42e1-9c52-56f838d21017 2008-01-28T07:31:39Z 2008-01-28T07:31:39Z

*lol* I think "yikes...poo free? I'd explode!" I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

Qamar 2008-01-28T07:31:39Z Kathleen http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#8382abf0-4b21-4e44-bf14-678223e2d723 2008-01-28T06:59:11Z 2008-01-28T06:59:11Z

I have been dying my hair with mehndi body art henna for a while now and I love the way my hair shines. I leave the henna in my hair for 5 hours each time I use it and I henna my hair once a month. My hair was damaged by bleaching and now you would never know it. I do not have to use conditioner at all and use sulphate free shampoo for best results before I henna my hair. As a hairdresser, I will warn you that a perm will most likely not take well on hennaed hair and most hair dressers will try to strip your hair before they perm it because henna coats your hair and seals your follicles down. So think hard about henna if you want to perm or bleach your hair after.

Kathleen 2008-01-28T06:59:11Z Nix http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#bd4d089d-96ed-485c-aeb6-9e3c1f79473e 2008-01-28T02:06:46Z 2008-01-28T02:06:46Z

I have used laundry soap to wash my hair with and it works well. Must be a pure vegetable laundry soap though. (no hand or body soap) You need to dilute it lots, by grating the bar of soap and boiling it with a litre of water until you get a thin jelly-like consistancy. you can add essential oils like sandalwood, lavender or rosemary. Put it into a pump pack and use ONLY twice a week maximum. Rinse thoroughly Get a large squirty water bottle and fill with a mix of 1/4 Apple cider vinegar and 3/4 rainwater. Keep it in the shower, Use this as a sparing rinse to neutralise the alkaline soapiness of your hair. When nearly dry use the tiniest dab of olive or coconut oil rubbed between your hands and apply on your hair at the ends in particular. Be warned though, this is too drying a regime for some peoples hair. And your hair DOES need training to this method. It may take a few weeks/month for it to be successful! Good luck!

Nix 2008-01-28T02:06:46Z ria http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#6a805a32-974f-40e3-8231-a6695dd69ca7 2008-01-24T23:51:50Z 2008-01-24T23:51:50Z

SLS isn't actually as harmful as it's made out to be. Check it out: http://www.cosmeticscop.com/learn/art.asp?ID=181

ria 2008-01-24T23:51:50Z $item.owner.firstName http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#9bb5154e-b56e-470c-9563-47fb06cf8030 2008-01-24T21:30:12Z 2008-01-24T21:30:12Z

this is probably inappropriate, but every time I see the name of this thread, I think it's about colonic cleansing...

$item.owner.firstName 2008-01-24T21:30:12Z Marisela http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#18a7a1ef-6f32-4326-b7e8-601eaaebd651 2008-01-22T21:42:59Z 2008-01-22T21:42:59Z

no brushy brushy curly hair or you get bushy bushy...

Marisela 2008-01-22T21:42:59Z Maral http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#7b154ce2-80cd-4ada-b6dc-fc0b90aa6d7b 2008-01-22T21:37:01Z 2008-01-22T21:37:01Z

Well, for straight hair yes. Curly hair shouldn't be brushed; it just causes frizz.

Maral 2008-01-22T21:37:01Z Ceanna http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#72d453f4-6bad-4dc8-9fed-72d16483dbd0 2008-01-21T02:07:03Z 2008-01-21T02:07:03Z

for conditioner use half an avocado with two tablespoons of yogurt, let it sit on your wet hair for 10-1 hr. that's my advice for the damage and frizz.

Ceanna 2008-01-21T02:07:03Z $item.owner.firstName http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#41077957-c637-428c-a343-27185e6bd568 2008-01-20T18:44:17Z 2008-01-20T18:44:17Z

Remembering to brush your hair, every day, is important, too.. it loosens out the dirt & distributes your hair oils along the full length of your hair

$item.owner.firstName 2008-01-20T18:44:17Z JFire http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#401f0ca9-eb92-4caa-81a8-6fb1a90a81e4 2008-01-20T18:00:50Z 2008-01-20T18:00:50Z

Have you tried nettle tea?

JFire 2008-01-20T18:00:50Z Katrina http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#037fe51f-8131-4001-80ed-575573303074 2008-01-20T08:27:12Z 2008-01-20T08:27:12Z

I haven't gone completely 'poo-free, but it's close. On NaturallyCurly.com, it's referred to as "modified CG" (Curly Girl)...that is, I use shampoos that don't have SLS in them, and also avoid silicones so I don't *need* the SLS to remove the buildup. I have done the baking soda/vinegar thing, and it is nice occasionally to remove buildup, but my hair does like conditioner, I have to say. It's long thick, curly hair, and it needs conditioner and product. So. What I end up "cleaning" with, since you asked, is usually just conditioner--as the CG method points out, you don't need soap to clean, you need friction and water. Something to give the friction a bit of lubrication--like conditioner, which already has some surfectants--helps with this. If I do use shampoo--even the SLS-free kind, I coat the ears-down part of my hair with cheap conditioner first, then only suds up the scalp, rinse...then condition as usual. It looks like your hair is straight, so this may be completely unnecessary and make your hair greasy. It will take a bit of experimenting to find what works best for you. But! Shampoo--or at least SLS--free may still be good for you. Or hell, cut back to only shampooing every 2 or 3 days. Only warning is that your hair will most likely freak out and be a bit greasy for a couple weeks while it's adjusting. Have patience. It will most likely pay off and your hair will be much easier to manage. Good luck.

Katrina 2008-01-20T08:27:12Z Nicole http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#ff15ce9d-33fd-4ab7-a73e-ba2a451cb7f4 2008-01-19T09:28:59Z 2008-01-19T09:28:59Z

I've ditched shampoo completely, but still do cheapo conditioner every other day (great for the frugal college student I am), let it sit in under a shower cap while I go about my showering routine for a few mins and then rinse it out. My hair is down to my butt now, which is the longest it's been in awhile, and not using conditioner, along with keeping it up almost all the time, has made it the healthiest it's ever been as well. I definitely endorse at least trying to go off shampoo for awhile to see if it works on your hair, but keep in mind that it seems to take the scalp awhile to adjust. I gradually adjusted by shampooing first every other day, then every few days, once a week, etc until I cut shampoo out all together, but then again I knew I wanted to forget shampoo all together. I don't think I can ditch the conditioner as well though...but I may eat my words one of these days ;)

Nicole 2008-01-19T09:28:59Z Maral http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#be38e51f-7578-438f-9028-9ad82178a24c 2008-01-19T02:08:12Z 2008-01-19T02:08:12Z

Be warned that many 'natural' shampoos still contain detergent as SLS is derived from coconut (heavily processed of course), so they spin it as a 'natural' ingredient even though it totally isn't good for you (heck, arsenic is 'natural'). It's a known skin irritant and is very drying to skin and hair. I use Giovanni brand shampoos and conditioners and love them. Burt's Bees shampoo also has no SLS AFAIK.

Maral 2008-01-19T02:08:12Z Phoebe http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#8b773184-20fd-4517-af17-624038806e81 2008-01-19T01:30:59Z 2008-01-19T01:30:59Z

Dr Hauschka has really great shampoos and conditioners that are 100% natural, organic and not tested on animals. A little pricey though. REN which is a UK based company does really amazing ones too with the same benefits. I tried the whole vinegar thing and my hair was really dull and never felt clean. Would sting like hell if you had any cuts on your scalp.....ouch! That placenta stuff sounds revolting!

Phoebe 2008-01-19T01:30:59Z Maral http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#6860738c-66d5-4f8b-8828-f1525e4fa6ef 2008-01-18T18:41:12Z 2008-01-18T18:41:12Z

How often do you wash, and with what? Most shampoos contain harsh detergents that dry out the hair and strip away needed oil (which causes the scalp to produce more oil really fast, hence the oily roots), and most conditioners contain silicones that can seal the hair shaft, locking out oil and moisture, which only exacerbates the dryness problem. I've heard that some people's hair reacts well to silicones but AFAIK these tend to be people with very thick and coarse hair. Most of the time I wash with silicone-free conditioner (just slather it on and let it sit for a few minutes; it can clean very well without drying or stripping, depending on the brand), and I do clarifying ACV rinses from time to time. When I do shampoo, which is rarely, I use brands that don't contain SLS (sodium lauryl or laureth sulfate). I wash my hair once or twice a week at most, and lightly oil the ends with jojoba or coconut oil to keep them from drying out, especially in the winter. Heat-styling also causes damage and splitting, so I let my hair air-dry. Since I moved away from shampoo and standard commercial products I've noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of split ends.

Maral 2008-01-18T18:41:12Z Rom Deussen http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#6f7738f1-7216-4e07-aa87-af53d07bfbb6 2008-01-18T15:55:24Z 2008-01-18T15:55:24Z

My hair will NOT stop splitting--to the center of my back, and conditioners are making it worse for some reason. Would the ACV stop that? My hair is oily at the roots, dry at the tips. Weirdness.

Rom Deussen 2008-01-18T15:55:24Z Isabella http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#2df2fe3c-9967-4f5c-b0f5-4538de4d8385 2008-01-18T15:34:53Z 2008-01-18T15:34:53Z

I guess maybe I should add that I usually wash my hair either every other day, every three days or once a week (it depends on how oily my scalp gets...). What does the brown sugar scrub entail? And how often would you recommend doing it?

Isabella 2008-01-18T15:34:53Z Petra http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#a158b47b-73d1-469b-be8d-f99bb2e2ef95 2008-01-17T19:33:31Z 2008-01-17T19:33:31Z

For people who are concerned about using animal products.....I stopped using Hask Placenta hair products in 1989 when I was in Cosmetology school. It is, in fact, real placenta. It used to be human placenta but I think it's taken from animal sources now. I won't go into the gory details, but if you give it a little thought you'll realize how it's harvested (no, it's not from happy little organic dairy farms). Additionally, placenta is full of hormonse and those hormones ARE absoprbed through your scalp. Placenta products have been demonstrated to cause breast growth in toddlers and are suspected to cause breast cancer in people of African descent. This is due to the concentration of hormones absorbed when the products are used. More info: http://www.cosmeticdatabase.com/brand.php?brand_id=1637 Also -if a label says "hydrolized protein," but does NOT specify that it is plant protein, it is most likely animal blood from slaughterhouses. Not trying to gross you guys out, but I think it's important to know what we use on our bodies so we can make informed choices when purchasing. What we spend our money on tells the cosmetic industry what we are willing to turn a blind eye to and what we won't tolerate. Just some food for thought....

Petra 2008-01-17T19:33:31Z Paradigm East http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#21c447d8-eb50-464a-99d4-6a72cc1ced66 2008-01-17T17:57:17Z 2008-01-17T17:57:17Z

Thanks for sharing that! I liked reading your experience, and the cinnamon oil addition too.. I love brown sugar scrubs. What do you put in yours if you don't mind my asking?

Paradigm East 2008-01-17T17:57:17Z Leyla http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#403941e4-8d45-4885-be7f-e2d33a7d180e 2008-01-17T17:38:58Z 2008-01-17T17:38:58Z

Hi! I've been doing BS/ACV for over a year now and I love it. My hair has never been in better condition. Dryness, tangles, split ends, flatness, and static are all non-issues now. Also, I dye my hair with henna and I find that the ACV really brings out the red I use and preserves the color over time. Besides, I've saved a ton of money. I use a tsp of BS in 1 cup of warm water and then 2 tsp of ACV (with a drop or two of cinnamon oil) in 1 cup of warm water as shampoo and conditioner respectively. In extremely dry weather I like using a brown sugar scrub as it makes my hair soft and is nice on the scalp. My hair is mid-back in lengh and naturally straight - in case that helps somehow. I know it's not for everyone, and it took a little experimenting for me to get the measurements where I like them, but it was worth it. Also, I'm sure you've read about the poorly named "detox period." My hair did look a bit gross for about two weeks, but now I'm able to wash it half as much and it doesn't look dirty. Good luck!

Leyla 2008-01-17T17:38:58Z Paradigm East http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#19646bc7-ef2f-420d-b5fc-79634d135164 2008-01-17T16:04:54Z 2008-01-17T16:04:54Z

What you'd need is a protein based treatment Hask placenta is an equivalent for something organic. If not that, then Edit protein serum (green bottle at salons, or even the herstyler hair serum (contains alot of vitamin E and I've seen it on ebay). There are also other really good protein serums besides Edit.What about a weekly olive oil treatment on the lower half and only shampoo on those days the roots, then condition the lower half in your regular washings? Shampoo is really only meant to cleanse the scalp and roots, and occasionally the hair ends when really necessary otherwise it really dries it out. As it washes out it rinses through the hair too. The key really is to find the right balance that works for you. Here's Hask placenta in spray form (http://www.hairproducts.com/view_product_BLA-HAS102.htm) or this: http://www.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/321180.jpg

Paradigm East 2008-01-17T16:04:54Z Shamsa http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#fca4e3ea-9d15-4e40-a904-7c093917a753 2008-01-17T15:43:05Z 2008-01-17T15:43:05Z

Wow, you are a braver woman than I. Let us know what it's like. And good luck!

Shamsa 2008-01-17T15:43:05Z Faedra http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#9c4c04ac-1af7-4fd7-aa97-354efc1e40f5 2008-01-17T15:19:37Z 2008-01-17T15:19:37Z

Hi Isabella! My best friend in the whole world uses the baking soda/vinegar method and I'm sorry to say her hair is in VERY bad shape. It's coarse, frizzy, breaks constantly and feels like straw! I'm a bit biased as I went to cosmetology school but I say STAY AWAY from the bs/acv method!

Faedra 2008-01-17T15:19:37Z Isabella http://dancemakeup.tribe.net/thread/8cb6a64e-235a-4e57-8568-3654d36605c6#311edce5-3197-4734-9f54-34bd2e0902fc 2008-01-17T15:15:40Z 2008-01-17T15:15:40Z

Heh... So, has anyone ditched commercial shampoo and conditioner? If so, what do you use when you wash your hair? I've thought about trying the baking soda and apple cider vinegar (http://babyslime.livejournal.com/174054.html) method, has anyone given it a try? If so, what was your hair's response? I'm currently letting my hair grow out (I fried it w/bleach and a perm that didn't hold) and am *really* tired of how frizzy and brittle it is! But once it grows out, I plan on dying it w/henna. And have been thinking about getting another perm (a spiral this time as the last one I got was supposed to give me "big curls" and the day after the perm my hair was as straight as it had been going into the chair!)... But the perm will be quite a ways off! Like at least a year or two....

Isabella 2008-01-17T15:15:40Z